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BMellert

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I attended OpenText Enterprise World 2013 last week.  One of the sessions was a MBPM Roadmap.

Alas ... it would appear that MBPM is being "orphaned" (my term, not theirs).
In the prior MBPM roadmap, there was a 9.4 and 9.4.1 and vNext, all with MBPM and mobile enhancements to some degree.  The new roadmap has 9.3.1 in January to integrate with the new unified front end (separate product) and supports IE10 and WS2012.  vNext now only contains updated browser support (IE11 and I presume Firebox and Chrome).  When asked, no additional enhancements are planned for MBPM other than hot/bug fixes and browser/OS support at this time.

The BPM direction within OpenText is going to be Cordys.  While the new product suite looks like a great direction, its a bit disturbing that MBPM appears to be left behind more quickly than I'd have expected.
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Disturbing...
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Agreed. Pity that OpenText had to buy out Metastorm, just to kill the product 2 years later.
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Considering a year ago at the conference we were lead to believe, MBPM was going to be their primary platform going forward.  A lot can change in a year obviously.
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It is a pretty tough beast to kill off.

We killed of Metastorm's only product, in-forms, when they bought us (Sysgenics). What, you mean you've never heard of the product? That kill-off was obviously total!

We also continued by killing off all the associated Novell products and services offered by BEI.

e-work then proceeded to dominate Metastorm's portfolio despite a great many subsequent acquisitions.

I would not be too hasty in predicting its demise.....

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Had a chat with OpenText this week on the future of MBPM.  We were told more or less that we can expect that MBPM will go on living in it's current state for "many" (possibly up to 5) years. However, they then said we should start evaluating Cordys as that is the direction they are moving in for their BPM platform.

Has anyone else begun using or evaluating Cordys?  How does it stack up to MBPM? Likes, dislikes, things to consider? 
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All I've seen thus far with Cordys is what I saw in one booth and presentation at the last conference (were we found out MBPM is basically winding down in life, or at least not the preferred platform with limited enhancement potential).  It wasn't enough to give any sort of assessment.  The one concept I like about is that the UI is HTML5, so any HTML5 form component can be used, instead of us being limited to what is provided in MBPM itself.

I know there is a 9.3.2 planned ... they plan to address one mobile issue I raised.  No idea on time frame though.  (Alas, we are having to bail on Mobile MBPM anyway since officially they stopped supporting Blackberry with 9.3.1.)

We have plans slated for later in the year to start an evaluation of available BPM platforms to see which direction we should head it.  It would be good to hear if anybody else has input on this though.
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We will be doing a full analysis of various options. We will obviously not be able to comment on any product that we do not have some technical knowledge of, so we are limited to those who supply us with licences for review.

Many OT competitors are extremely keen, and some are declaring themselves more than happy to help. No news from OT themselves yet however, which does not bode well. I would like to keep Cordys in the running...

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I got a chance to speak to one of the Metastorm Business heads and also Technical team lead of OpenText in one of the conferences held in Mumbai some where in mid Feb, 2013. As far as I remember, they dont have any planto kill the product. Rather they were saying the product is under continuous improvement stage.

I heard roumors from my friends and colleagues about the dismissal of the product. Does any have a better picture of whats going on at OT?


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We  had a phone call with OT last Tuesday and a follow up today.

They are planning on extending the "sunset" of V7 which to date has been slated to end next month (May 2014).  They hadn't agreed how long it will be extended for, though the thought seems to be perhaps 2 years.

As far as V9, they are working on V9.4 currently and plan to keep upgrading it (to what extend feature-wise still isn't clear to me, but with browsers and servers/databases) for a period of 5 years with active support for 5 years after.  It sounds like integration with their other products will continue (including Process Suite) and a HTML 5 front end will be possible (in theory making forms available on all devices) and/or replace the current designer tool.  The extent of MBPM verses their Process Suite isn't real clear as I suspect the two will blend.

We'll see how much we hear before the conference, but  I (personal conjecture here) suspect it will be a point at this year's Conference.  (I have no idea if we'll be attending.  I guess it depends on what is seen the next couple months.)
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Yeah looking on the "BPM Family - Product Support Lifecycle" page in the Opentext Knowledge base they look to have extended 'Sustaining Maintenance' for v7.6 to May 2016? (Was previously 31 May 2014)

This maybe a typo (as the page has had a bit of face-lift in the last couple of days..)
I've gone back to support to confirm as I can't see any mention of it anywhere else.

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I think they are being forced to as the migration is definitely not an 'out of the box' experience...
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And we are definitely looking at alternatives ...
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No, May 2016 for V7 is now definitely official.  It was confirmed to us just before it was announced.  Alas, they had no idea if it would keep up with browsers (IE11 is being considered here) but I don't think they'll have much of a choice on that eventually.

We have plans to see what the latest is out there as well ...
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We are currently working with Business Optix to create a conversion from MBPM 7 into Optix. They have several connectors to export that to various BPMS. My main aim beyond fitting MBPM maps into BPMN will be to preserve the existing 'Metascript' and the details of Forms and their usage.
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