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rdorfman

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We have a fair size inventory of workflow - 8 workflow procedures that all together process about 4,000 workflow folders a month.  We are looking at what's involved and wondering if the effort is worth it - vs looking at other possible workflow platforms.  We currently have a lot of vbscript and jscript code on both the server and client side.  We looked at the side by side option but that just seems to drag out the pain of transition.

 

The general impression I get is that the majority of existing v7 installations have not yet jumped to V9.

 

I'd love to hear from any V7 shops who have migrated to V9, are in the process or just thinking about it to compare notes.

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We have performed several updates, and are still in the process of doing more.

Basically none of our customers have gone down the side-by-side path. All are migrating process, or rebuilding. The advantage to rebuilding is that you get to redesign from the ground up using the enormously better architecture than version 7.

Migration has been a thorny path. It is now much better, and most of the standard stuff comes across. There may also be ways that automatically convert metasscript to C# code. We were working on one, and we understand others are too. If completed, it will help migration enormously.

All in all, although the process is a complex one, and possibly lengthy, we have found it worth it in all cases. It is still cheaper than rewriting on another platform, and overall (although not always in specifics) the new Metastorm system is still better than any other BPM system we use (Lombardi, Oracle, BizAgi)

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I started early on migrating our procedures from 7.5 to 9, but had so many problems so decided to go down the Side by Side route, I've now hit a brick wall, the v7 folders will not auto refresh, the issue is sat with development.

I've migrated procedures from v5 to v6 in the past which was bad, not impressed so far with v7.5 to v9 partly down to the fact that I used it early on before all the issues were fixed in the migration kit.


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I have done a few migrations across the pugrade path and whilst the upgrade from 7.6 to 9 has been the biggest change it is achievable. The use of custom code is a hinderance and most of that will need to be re-written but the core process goes over without issue and just requires checking and minor modification to get working.

 

The more difficult part is the steep learning curve in getting familliar enough to be competent with version 9. The Business objects are a new concept and it takes a while to get used to them.

 

My advice would be to re-engineer a small process first to get used to the new designer and how it works. then get into a migration and then finaly a repository migration.

 

You will need to lear fast how the new version works and what the new features are in order to do this but once you get there the benefits are noticable.

 

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I agree, redesigning can be very beneficial indeed. I also agree that trying a smaller process, possibly with a complete rewrite, or starting a new process, is a good place to start.

We are trying to get time to complete a 'Good Design Guide' for version 9.1. We have made many very important design decisions over the last 3 years, and we have collected the most important to make a quick guide. It will become part of a much larger piece in time.

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