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Jerome

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If a new customer turns up, what reason would there be to sell them version 7? As far as I can tell, the whole system would have to be rewritten, and it would not benefit from any of the new features that make version 9 well worth using. I have covered these, but the main issues affecting design of new systems will be Business Objects (abstracted from the consumer of the data), and connectors (allowing futher abstraction). In fact in most cases these will have to be rebuilt.

So, given these issues, and many others, with migration from 7 to 9, is it even ethical to promote version 7 for new clients? I'd be grateful for any insight into this from existing and new customers alike.

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I would tend to agree.  Were we starting new, I'd rather start with V9 even with its current issues.  (In fact, I wish I could start a new solution I'm working on in V9, but V9.0 far from being ready for production here.)

However, how long until V9 is stable and robust enough for "prime time"?  Hopefully with SR1, but we will have to wait and see.  (I understand some clients are live on V9 already.  I can only imagine they are new installations or have very simple processes.)

I do hope that anybody promoting V7 is doing so with clarity on what it will take to move to V9 so the clients know what to expect up front.
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Agreed on all points, although I must say that some of the things we have built so far are pretty detailed, and all issues met so far can be worked around, although not ideal. The challenge is finding what the issues are. Since most of the ones we have found are 'new' we have to assume anything already built is fairly basic.

We have just had the go-ahead for our first v9 production system, so we are very pleased on that front. The next release will be in May or thereabouts we understand, so that should be in time for testing prior to getting that deployed. We are not looking at anything revolutionary there.

Myself, I am actually getting to the point where I keep wishing for v9 features when using v7 - a sure sign of acceptance! A good example is setting the 'rows' property of a grid and seeing the SQL Builder and full-sized SQL editor with parameters (no need to format text or dates *sigh*) in my mind's eye.

It's the last part that concerns me. I just do not think they even know what is involved with migration. I also think they will not find out until forced to when their existing v7 customers start finding out.

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Sorry - but I would have to disagree. 

V9 is slower than v7
V9 has a poorer end user workspace experience than v7
V9 form controls are less stable than v7

V7 is now supported for several years, so personally I would wait until V9 has functional and performance parity before selling v9.
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Well, we are putting our first into a first phase UAT this week. I am keen to see what the speed is compared to v7 on a 'real' system. On my local machine it is slower, although form refreshed are faster.

The real benefit, is that of development, although I am still finding issues with a slow development environment. The Business Objects and Visual Scripts make many aspects of development a great deal easier. Form reuse is also much easier.

Most form controls we have used seem OK, although there are some aspects that cause issues, they can be worked around. Dropdowns are odd, I muct say, and your issue with the date picker seems odd too, but most of it is OK. Grids do not get the columns properly still.

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V9 is slower than v7
V9 has a poorer end user workspace experience than v7
V9 form controls are less stable than v7

These are good reasons for me not to move (though possibly now fixed). One good reason to move would be mobile working, how is that doing?


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I have not found any of those to be true in the latest releases, apart from maybe the last. I will agree that some systems suffer from poor performance, and it would be great to pinpoint what it was, but most are pretty fair.

The advantages from a development point of view and the far richer UI we can deliver make it well worth it.

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I found version 7 to be a great tool and, if designed properly, you got blistering performance and a stable platform.

Version 9 is a very different beast. Lots of new concepts to get to grips with, some good, some not so good.

On the performance side I think more is dependent on the design being right than the core engine performance. A badly designed process is going to be slow whatever version you are using.

Now that I have spent some time working with Version 9 I'm liking it more and more. Cant wait to see what we get for version 10!
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